Recently I have been contacted by quite a few folks both my email and by messages on either my Facebook page or website about Royal Albert Old Country Roses china.
Now considered the most popular china pattern in the world, Old Country Roses came into being in 1962, designed by Harold Holdcroft, when the post World War II pottery industry was struggling to adapt and survive in the post war period.
By it's instant popularity, it provided a needed boost to Royal Albert, a pottery owned and operated by Thomas C. Wild and Sons, Ltd. who had operated since 1896.
The original backstamp was this one, and it was in use from 1962-1974
In 1964, Thomas Wild was taken over by Pearson and Son, Ltd, which then was merged into Lawley Group Ltd., formed into Allied English Potteries Ltd. but Royal Abert and Wild were allowed to continue using their own names.
In 1970 Allied English Potteries officially renamed Wi as Royal Albert Ltd., largely because of the popularity of Old Country Roses.
In 1972, Pearson acquired Royal Doulton but allowed Royal Albert to continue to be made in it's St. Mary's pottery in Longton near Stoke.
But a new mark came into being...
Note the curved text line with the date Old Country Roses was released... but that doesn't indicate when the piece was made.
This mark was used when all Old Country Roses was made in the UK.
This mark was used from 1974 until 1980.
The next mark, thought to have first been used from 1980 showing the design was under the old copyright... from 1980-1993.
Note the mark now says Made In England instead of just England.
In 1993, Royal Doulton was separated again from the Pearson group and re-registered the copyright to Old Country Roses, so the C became an R for Registered. The C and R can be in any order on the bottom curved mark, wither front or back of the last line of text.
In 1998, St. Mary's pottery was closed and production was moved to Indonesia, Taiwan or china where it remains today.
Although the bottom line still says the date 1962 when Old Country Roses began, this mark means it was made after 2002, because 1998-2002 had some transitional pieces. All had ceased by 2002.
Note the mark has dropped any mention of England.
And why does it matter anyway?
I got my first Old Country Roses teacup in England in 1967, and still have it.
I have been selling it since the mid 1980s, and the first I knew the production had been moved, is when I saw a teacup at a shop that didn't look right.
It was heavier, the hand applied brushed gold was missing and the patterns were not well applied...I turned it over and checked the ox...Indonesia. Yes, it was cheaper, but, oh my, the quality was not the same at all!
Under the subsequent controllers of the Royal albert brand... WWRD or Waterford Wedgwood Royal Doulton and the from 2015 Fiskars, the pattern has continued to be made out of the UK.
Speaking of quality, I also want to point out what to look for to identify second quality. At the potteries, the items were always quality checked, and if there was a flaw, but one that did not make the item totally unuseable, the mark is scratched though as shown in the example above. I don't know if it is still being done this way in Indonesia or China, but it was always done this way in the UK.
I hope this helps a little... some folks don't care, but some folks care... a LOT!
There are rumors in the UK pottery industry that Faskars is thinking of moving some production back to the UK because of quality, and much apparently depends on Brexit. If the UK separates from the EU... who knows?
All these pieces are available at Antiques And Teacups, plus other Old Country Roses items. All are identified by mark.
Ruth, I have two sets of OCR teacups. One was made between 1962-1974 and the other was made after 2002. Although I'm happy to have both, the earliest one is nicer and you can tell the difference. Thank you for the info. I love learning the history of teacups.ReplyDelete
Thanks for the informative post on one of my favourite patterns.ReplyDelete
Ruth, I always appreciate the detailed information you give us. I was quite sure my OCR pieces were the original, but I just double-checked and, yes, they are! A friend gifted them to me a few years ago when she decided to downsize a bit.ReplyDelete
I don't have any pieces of the Country Rose, Ruth, but I love it. Thank you for all ypur information that you share with us.ReplyDelete
Just found your blog and read about Country Rose with interest. In the past I would see OCR in antique stores quite often and then last summer my 18 year old granddaughter shared with me that she really liked the CR she saw in pictures. Wonderful I thought and proceeded out to find her some pieces. Well now it seems not so easy to find. For me the thrill of antiquing is having something to look for so I will continue to search out Old Country Roses. Thank you for an informative post.ReplyDelete
hi I have approximately 300 pieces from various years that I am in love with. The question I have is that I have some plates with the original back stamp with no date, however they have an impression of a circle around the back stamp. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks EmmaReplyDelete
I have some question with respect to the impression of a circle around the stamp. If anyone has any insight into this I’d love to know. Thanks.Delete
Thank you for the information. I inherited my grandmother's Old Country Rose china from my mother. I'm ashamed to say that I was a little disappointed to learn that my grandmother's china is from 1974-1980 and not from the first period. I'm ashamed because the value of my grandmother's china transcends money. My grandparents were of humble means and yet, connoisseurs. They made ends meet to raise 10 children. Still, my grandmother had her Royal Albert Old Country Rose china and my grandfather had his Italian made three-piece suit. I don't remember, even once, my grandmother's china coming out of her hutch. So I make it a point to take them out for every special occasion. Each time I do, I toast my grandparents. I treasure my grandmother's Old Country Rose china.ReplyDelete
That is a great story, thanks for sharing.Delete
I have just inherited my mothers china set. I'm a little startled, as the marking on hershas no date stamp.but states made in Staffordshire?ReplyDelete
Thank you for a very informative article!ReplyDelete
I purchased a set of Old Country Rose dishes and was trying to determine the value
the back stamp is
Old Country Rose
c 1962 Royal Albert LTD
could any one help me
I can as I’ve read the great article above. If your stamp doesn’t mention England yours are made after 2002 in Indonesia China or TaiwanReplyDelete
I found a 102 piece set. 80 of the pieces have the original stamp. I paid $300 for everything. Any idea if this was a good price?ReplyDelete
I think you did. Ive just bought a 57 pieces original (8 x dinner set with extras + 8 tea set) for 680€, in Ireland.Delete
My dad bought a setting of 8 in the 70s.ReplyDelete
Only the tea cups survive (house fire)
According to this information they're made after 2002. Plainly incorrect.
Purchased in Calgary, Canada in the 70s
Do not say England on them. I've had them in my possession since April 2000.
Disregard my earlier comments.ReplyDelete
Seems some tea cups were added later that are indeed newer. My error
I have a stem vase with the back stamp as above however there is a no 42 next to the stamp. What does the number represent? Kind regards to allReplyDelete
Is the RA OCR celebration set a Christmas issue? Or a Ruby jubilee issue? It has Green and it has ribbons with the roses. Thanks for your help!ReplyDelete
I have a set of royal albert cup saucers and teaplates. There are 3 designs, 2 of each , is this a proper set? They have on the bottom royal albert bone china England country fayre series dorset c with a circle around it 1977 royal albert ltd.how much would these be worth to sell. Thanks for any help or advice anyone can give me on these. ThankyouReplyDelete
Can you help with selling our late mother's Royal Albert country roses it's for 12 people and tea set and lots of extras it's so bigReplyDelete
My tea set does not have any of the above stamps. It is similar to the stamps that says "made in England" but only has the word England - not "made in".ReplyDelete
The bottom reads:
Old Country Roses (curved)
ROYAL ALBERT (with the registered mark)
C (copy right mark) 1962 ROYAL ALBERT LTD (curved)
Where is this from?
Hello, I love the information about the Old County Roses stamp and how to date it. Does this information on how to date the stamp also apply to the Moonlight Rose pattern by Royal Albert?ReplyDelete
Some of my OCR has a wide gold band and some has a thin gold band. What's does this Mean? Thank you.ReplyDelete
I have two sandwich trays with the original backstamp. One has significantly more gold edging than the other one. Why is that and does it affect the value? Thank youReplyDelete
I have 2 small teapots that only have a little area at the top that is open. The spouts are just for show and there is a small round hole on the bottom. I am trying to figure out what they are ?? I didn't know if they would have been used as salt and pepper with little spoons. I wish I could show you a picture of them. Let me know if there is anyway I can send you a picture. Thank you so much for any help you can give me.ReplyDelete
Thank you for the information. As this is my wedding gift from my parents in 1989, I have received many ass on pieces and can now can check the origins.ReplyDelete
Thank you so much for this. I'm thinking about buying some that is listed as vintage. It has the older mark, but not the oldest one. This definitely helps!~~DeeReplyDelete
I purchased a cup,saucer and dessert plate. 10 pieces each. I wonder how much its worth, it has Englang printed in back.ReplyDelete
I have a set with markings saying "fine bone china, made in England along with the crown crest. I wonder if this is a genuine set or a copy.ReplyDelete
I have inherited my mothers set of OCR and am using the cups daily as it reminds me of her. Looks like her set is made 72-80 with some serving pieces made after that. I appreciate the information.ReplyDelete
We have this set and LOVE it! Thanks to your article I learned I have a set without the "made in" England, it says only England. If I read the article correctly our aet was produced before 1980 which is so bizarre to me because we didn't start purchasing pieces until after 1995 and always got them retail!ReplyDelete